World O’Crap monitors the propaganda on WGOP AM.
I suspect if President Bush went out on Pennsylvania Avenue and shot a five-year-old in cold blood, we’d have plenty of talk radio apologists using 9/11 to justify the murder.
World O’Crap monitors the propaganda on WGOP AM.
I suspect if President Bush went out on Pennsylvania Avenue and shot a five-year-old in cold blood, we’d have plenty of talk radio apologists using 9/11 to justify the murder.
Well, rationalizing the prisoner abuse is just as inexcusable as the newest liberal talking point “all the way up the chain of command.”
To suggest that the President or Defense Secretary knew about or sanctioned the prisoner abuse is just plain stupid.
There’s no excuse for these actions, there’s also no reason to start blaming everyone in the military chain of command.
Yes, tell that to Milosevic….
So, CY, what do you reply to Bush’s admonishment of Rummy? Maybe you can think of an excuse, but there is only one way to approach this, make EVERYONE in the chain of command enforce the Geneva Conventions. To NOT do so is ONLY the fault of the person in command….
sorry, I meant CJ…
CJ, the post didn’t have anything to do with the chain of command. It was a comment on the mouths playing on an AM radio near you.
But since you raise the issue, no, I don’t think Bush or Rumsfeld sanctioned the stuff that was going on with the prisoners. But the fact that they apparently didn’t do much about it until it became a major news stories is just one more illustration of how poorly things are being run in Washington.
CJ, as a former Navy JAG, I know something about command, and the law governing officers who hold it. Responsibility does go all the way up the chain of command, and the commanding officer is responsible for the malfeasance of those under him, regardless of whether s/he knows of or approves of it.
When a Navy warship runs aground, the captain is usually tried by court martial for that incident, even if the ship runs aground at night, under the control of the deck watch and officer of the deck, while the captain was asleep in his sea cabin. If you enjoy the perquisites of command, you have to accept the responsibilities as well. That may not seem fair to a civilian, but the military works by different rules.
In this case, the abuses (and the culture of abuse which allowed them to flourish) were so extensive and so systemic that yes, Bush is responsible, ultimately. No, he didn’t sanction what went on, and probably didn’t know that it was going on. But, dammit, he’s under an obligation, IMHO, to apologize for this, both personally and on behalf of the United States of America, and let us know that he will do everything in his power to insure that such abuses never happen again. And IMHO, he’s far from fulfilling that obligation yet. And I’m betting he never does.
Well, Len, there’s a big difference between taking responsibility and taking blame. Too many people think the President should take the blame for this… and everything else… because it help his opponents score political points.
And Brian… the investigation was launched in January… months before CBS aired anything. Right?